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That's £25 for 10 plastic models. I can't understand how anyone could willingly fork over that much money for so little product (though I do understand they will), whilst companies like the Perrys or Victrix prove that you can make sets with far more in for a lot less.

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I too agree that those prices are rather high. What i will say in GW defence is that although there are only 10 models there is a large variety of options to your models and i would hazard a guess that the perry minatures do not have the same quality of detail and also the same options to cutomize your models, with different torsos, heads, weapons, general accesories. Do perry minature even supply bases with their models?

Another problem with GW is that they have to cover their overheads within the price of their minatures, they do not charge for the use of their gaming shops,or do they charge for the support they offer instore/online, their instore staff and nor do they charge for all of the articles that they put on online and im sure i can go on with other things they offer that other companies do not. other companies that do not charge these high prices, do so because they have limited over heads, they do not supply gaming shops and thus do not have to pay their staff.

What i would like GW to do is to creat cheaper box set of models without all of these options, like the models from skull pass and black reach to make their models cheaper and have say an upgrade kit or a seperate kit with the options in but i would again guess this would not be very marketable.

I am also thinking that maybe just maybe GW are being very cunning with their prices they are increasing them really high now that so over the next few years they will not have to incease their prices with inflation and other compaines, putting GW in everyones good books, but thats just a theory.

ive been saying this awhile
a few months ago the empire greatswords came out and they are 25.00 for 10 (hence
they are now called goldswords ) and they are not even that good ,yes you get lots of bits with it but in the end you canstill only make 10 men for a army that uses
100s.
i think the major thing is what you want out of the hobby , games like arcane legions
proves you can get alot of product for less buck , yes the figures could be better
and yes the prepaints suck ,but the game is good , the product is cheap and in
the end if youre looking for a fun quick game to get into then this appeals .
if youre a mass collector and gamer then there are companies who could provide you
with good figures for a decent price ie warlords ,perrys ect
i for one tire of paying loads of money for the same product as ive mentioned before
later this year warhammer will be releasing its 8th ed of fantasy and anew empire book aswell to go with the stater .that means i will have bought 4 empire books and 3 main rulebooks in the space of 5/6 years wich is rediculas why keep spending my hard earned money on the same thing over and over again

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Brettonians P-20-W-18-D-0-L-2
Empire P-16-W-9-D-3-L-4
Space Marines P-12-W-7-D-1-L-4
Menoth P-3-W-1-D-0-L-2
Romans P-7-W-3-D-0-L-4 (AL)

I don't have any Perry miniatures (or any Fantasy figures to compare anyway), but it was my understanding that the Perry twins were employed by GW making a lot of their figures (I know they sculpted the entire first 3 years' worth of LotR releases), so I don't see how the quality can be drastically different. And as far as I know, you get multi-model non-slotted bases in a Perry set (anyway, twenty 20mm slottabases are 99p on ebay).



I think this is the key point - we're not talking about buying 10 guys to form the bulk of your force, we're talking about half, or even a third, of just a single regiment in a game that uses what, half a dozen? Even if I wanted to get involved in Fantasy now, I just couldn't justify the cost. I haven't looked into 40k prices, but I assume they're following suit.

I suppose in the end, it's good that we have a choice - no doubt there are people that consider having 4 or 5 different weapon options worth a whopping great markup, and that's their prerogative - it just surprises me just how many there seem to be who are willing to spend that much on so little in a mass battle system.

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just out of interest how much where the previous bestigors? if they came three in a pack before the price increase they would have been cheaper

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So true. The old metal Bestigors don't look all that different either, I think you would be a mug buying these Platinumgors.

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@ Rick.

The perry brothers did work for GW and did some really nice models from what i hear, but just becuase they have made previous quality models doesnt mean their current models are good quality, but again i cannot compare becuase i do not any Perry minatures, but when i saw the ones as Jasons shop they were nice but the level of detail was not the same as the newest GW plastic and metal models.

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Any way i suppose when it comes to gaming, it all depends on what you like. I like nice looking models at a decent scale, that you can spend some time painting and can actually see the detail on the model, i generally like all aspects of war gaming and enjoy wargaming as a hobby, but those that are just in it for the game and dont have disposable income, are quite happy using card board cut outs or counters to represent models.

Thanks Bennett.

ive just noticed that gripping beast (they are a very well known historical
manufacturer )is also going to do plastic minis
which means there are now at least 6 companies who do plastic minis
all at a reasonable price for a good quality.
now i know none of these are as good as gw but i think they are just fine
the quality is crisp with enough detail to satisfy even the most fussy
and they cost half of gws prices for more figures .
i dont see that ever being a problem
the point is how long do gw think they can just carry on charging what they want
and people still willing to pay that (for eg a customer ordered 3 mounted chaos lords
today for his army and they came up to 70.00 pounds , thats 3 models )
im sorry thats insane with 70.00 you can get warhammer invasion (30.00) ,arcane
legions stater (25.00) and play in the rooster raft for magic (11.00) and still have
change !!!!.thats three different games you can actually play comfortably
what can you do with three models
i think point made

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Empire P-16-W-9-D-3-L-4
Space Marines P-12-W-7-D-1-L-4
Menoth P-3-W-1-D-0-L-2
Romans P-7-W-3-D-0-L-4 (AL)

Quite shocking when you look at it like that.

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Its stats like that that make me think that to acheive a competative army of lizardmen I still have lots to buy which mean lots and lots of money, in which i no way have. Don't think i'll be finishing my lizardmen.

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I don't know about anyone else but I always buy from ebay. Second hand stuff is so much cheaper than new and you can find real bargains if you look hard enough. Buying old models or badly painted ones is the way to go as most people like the shiny new stuff.
Only today I got a Great unclean one come through in the post, it had a really bad picture and I couldn't tell if it was the new model or what the paint job was, but I bid anyway. I ended up paying £12 including postage for a near pro-painted current model which retails for £35 - Happy me.
You don't always get bargains and it does take a bit of looking but I've found it a much cheaper way to get an army, slower and sometimes anoying but much cheaper.

Or just give WFB the finger and play a better and cheaper system

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Mantic games ppl... watch this space!!

Oh and Jas, where you get your info on a new empire book, they wont re-realise the empire just yet, my guess is the next 2 books will be OK then TK